{"id":15553700,"date":"2024-11-22T16:06:44","date_gmt":"2024-11-22T21:06:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/golf.com\/?post_type=article&#038;p=15553700"},"modified":"2024-11-22T16:06:51","modified_gmt":"2024-11-22T21:06:51","slug":"is-steep-or-shallow-better-average-golfer-deep-dive","status":"publish","type":"article","link":"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/short-game\/is-steep-or-shallow-better-average-golfer-deep-dive\/","title":{"rendered":"As an average player, is steep or shallow better? I did a deep-dive to find out"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"first\">I take a lot of pride in my self-described title of being the &#8220;face and voice for the average golfer,&#8221; since I tend to identify with the player who just tries to grind to get better \u2014 and I&#8217;m not afraid to be the guinea pig to show how tough that can actually be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m the guy who stays on the range till sunset, not the one who hits a few balls and then analyzes each shot. That may be how some golfers improve, but for the current state of my game, more reps is what I need to <em>feel<\/em> the changes I need to make.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>After all, just because you identify a problem with your golf swing doesn&#8217;t mean you know how to immediately fix it.<\/p>\n\n\n<section class=\"g-block g-block-article-embed g-block-article-embed--align-right\">\n    <figure>\n\n        <div class=\"g-article-embedded__img-wrapper\">\n                                            <div class=\"article__category  instruction\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/\">\n                        Instruction                    <\/a>\n                <\/div>\n                        \n            <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/steep-or-shallow-pitch-short-game-chef\/\">\n                <img decoding=\"async\"\n        class=\"lazy inner\"\n        src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/parker-maclaughlin.jpg?width=30\"\n        alt=\"Parker McLachlin demonstrates pitch shot\"\n        data-src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/parker-maclaughlin.jpg\"\n        data-srcset=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/parker-maclaughlin.jpg?width=300 300w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/parker-maclaughlin.jpg?width=720 600w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/parker-maclaughlin.jpg?width=1280 900w\"\n        sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, (max-width: 600px) 50vw, (max-width: 900px) 33vw, 900px\"\n        \n      \/>            <\/a>\n        <\/div>\n        <figcaption>\n            <blockquote><a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/steep-or-shallow-pitch-short-game-chef\/\">Should you be steep or shallow on your pitch shots? The Short Game Chef explains<\/a><\/blockquote>\n                <span class=\"author \"><span>By:<\/span>\n        <span class=\"author__inner\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/writers\/parker-mclachlin-golf-teacher-to-watch\/\">\n                Parker McLachlin, GOLF Teacher to Watch            <\/a>\n            \n                            <\/span>\n    <\/span>\n        <\/figcaption>\n    <\/figure>\n<\/section>\n\n\n<p>Sure, I have access to the top golf teachers under the sun, but it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re a secret elixir that instantly makes me shoot lower. With so many voices and philosophies, I need to try and pick and choose the tips that I&#8217;m most comfortable with.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That&#8217;s not a knock on them as teachers, but more of an admission that there&#8217;s a boatload of golf instruction out there \u2014 so filtering it to match your game can be tricky sometimes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One debate that&#8217;s seemingly confused a lot of average golfers is the idea of being steep vs. shallow in the short game. Like, which one is suggested?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As someone who&#8217;s more of a shallow player, I&#8217;ve heard the argument from the other side about why being steep is best \u2014 but what do the experts say?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-steep-vs-shallow-what-s-better-for-the-average-golfer\">Steep vs. shallow: What&#8217;s better for the average golfer?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>When it comes to learning the short game, two names really stand out: Parker McLachlin and Joe Mayo \u2014 with the former being more of a shallow guy and the latter being more of a steep guy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Both work with pro players and have accolades that prove how their methods work for the best types of golfers. But what about the average golfer who still struggles with chunks or skulled shots? Which one is better: steep or shallow?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-the-case-for-being-steep\">The case for being steep<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Many people point to <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PingTour\/status\/1696576162787422684\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the viral video of Viktor Hovland<\/a> from a couple of years ago as the coming out party for being steep in the short game. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the clip, Hovland hits a soft flop shot and then immediately reacts by saying, &#8220;I\u2019ve never been able to do that before. That was sick.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But when you dive into the stats, Hovland&#8217;s short game hasn&#8217;t necessarily been all that much better than before he made the change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2024, Hovland <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pgatour.com\/player\/46717\/viktor-hovland\/stats\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ranked<\/a> 179th on Tour in strokes gained: Around-the-green, 165th in Scrambling, and 130th in Scrambling from the rough. By comparison, in 2021 he was 124th in strokes gained: Around-the-green, 59th in Scrambling, and 35th in Scrambling from the rough.<\/p>\n\n\n<section class=\"g-block g-block-article-embed g-block-article-embed--align-left\">\n    <figure>\n\n        <div class=\"g-article-embedded__img-wrapper\">\n                                            <div class=\"article__category  news\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/news\/\">\n                        News                    <\/a>\n                <\/div>\n                        \n            <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/news\/viktor-hovland-struggling-not-fun\/\">\n                <img decoding=\"async\"\n        class=\"lazy inner\"\n        src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2164919632.jpg?width=30\"\n        alt=\"Viktor Hovland hits shot at 2024 Olympics\"\n        data-src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2164919632.jpg\"\n        data-srcset=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2164919632.jpg?width=300 300w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2164919632.jpg?width=720 600w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/GettyImages-2164919632.jpg?width=1280 900w\"\n        sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, (max-width: 600px) 50vw, (max-width: 900px) 33vw, 900px\"\n        \n      \/>            <\/a>\n        <\/div>\n        <figcaption>\n            <blockquote><a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/news\/viktor-hovland-struggling-not-fun\/\">Viktor Hovland says he&#8217;s struggling. And sometimes golf is &#8216;just not that fun&#8217;<\/a><\/blockquote>\n                <span class=\"author \"><span>By:<\/span>\n        <span class=\"author__inner\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/writers\/nick-piastowski\/\">\n                Nick Piastowski            <\/a>\n            \n                            <\/span>\n    <\/span>\n        <\/figcaption>\n    <\/figure>\n<\/section>\n\n\n<p>Why are those two seasons important to reference? Because <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/viktor-hovland-breakthrough-no-longer-suck-chipping\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hovland famously said he &#8220;just sucks at chipping&#8221;<\/a> in 2020 following a victory at the Puerto Rico Open. So how much did changing his attack angle really help him in the three years since?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m not saying being steep is a bad thing, but it sure is riskier \u2014 even for a pro of Hovland&#8217;s caliber.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Making things a bit more confusing is this: An old clip <a href=\"https:\/\/www.secretgolf.com\/videos\/secret-content\/pat-perez-and-joe-mayo\/pat-perez-and-the-trackman-maestro-part-11\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">from a lesson between Mayo and pro Pat Perez<\/a>, where Mayo instructs him to be shallower in the golf swing, highlighting the reasons for doing so \u2014 with the overarching theme being it&#8217;s simpler.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure, being steep is an option, but if you&#8217;re an average golfer like me, it&#8217;s a much riskier play \u2014 because you&#8217;ve got to be perfect in order to get that crisp feel of ball-first contact.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-the-case-for-being-shallow\">The case for being shallow<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>In my opinion, being shallow is the easier play as an amateur golfer. In fact, the whole premise is to protect the player from having a bad shot, with the shallower angle of attack meant to engage the bounce of the club \u2014 giving you a greater margin for error on mishits.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since being shallower means having better control of both the clubhead and path, even a mishit can still be OK.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, that said, there are still risks \u2014 like chunking it if you get your weight leaning back, because the club can hit way before the ball and dig into the ground. But if you maintain proper fundamentals, a shallower attack angle is easier for the mid-handicapper to execute.<\/p>\n\n\n<section class=\"g-block g-block-article-embed g-block-article-embed--align-right\">\n    <figure>\n\n        <div class=\"g-article-embedded__img-wrapper\">\n                                            <div class=\"article__category instruction short game\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/short-game\/\">\n                        Short Game                    <\/a>\n                <\/div>\n                        \n            <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/short-game\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin\/\">\n                <img decoding=\"async\"\n        class=\"lazy inner\"\n        src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin.jpg?width=30\"\n        alt=\"Parker McLachlin, aka Short Game Chef, says it&#039;s important to sweep and not be steep in order to hit consistent wedge shots. Here&#039;s why\"\n        data-src=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin.jpg\"\n        data-srcset=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin.jpg?width=300 300w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin.jpg?width=720 600w, https:\/\/golf.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin.jpg?width=1280 900w\"\n        sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, (max-width: 600px) 50vw, (max-width: 900px) 33vw, 900px\"\n        \n      \/>            <\/a>\n        <\/div>\n        <figcaption>\n            <blockquote><a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/instruction\/short-game\/sweep-not-steep-groove-wedge-shots-parker-mclachlin\/\">&#8216;Sweep, not steep&#8217;: Short game guru says it&#8217;s the key to grooving wedge shots<\/a><\/blockquote>\n                <span class=\"author author--multiple\"><span>By:<\/span>\n        <span class=\"author__inner\">\n                    <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/writers\/parker-mclachlin-golf-teacher-to-watch\/\">\n                Parker McLachlin, GOLF Teacher to Watch            <\/a>\n            \n            ,                     <a href=\"https:\/\/golf.com\/writers\/nick-dimengo\/\">\n                Nick Dimengo            <\/a>\n            \n                            <\/span>\n    <\/span>\n        <\/figcaption>\n    <\/figure>\n<\/section>\n\n\n<p>McLachlin often preaches this, and prescribes to the mantra &#8220;sweep, not steep.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Around the greens, bounce is a savvy player\u2019s insurance policy, so the trick to taking advantage of it is to avoid coming into the ball too steep,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It\u2019s been proven that if you trace a wider swing arc, your probability of success on a pitch shot goes up.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He then provided a visual to help understand why the bottom of the club should &#8220;glide&#8221; across the grass.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Picture the bounce on your wedges as the bottom of a surfboard: If you come in at the correct angle, it helps the club skim across the turf. As it skims, it allows you to contact the ball on grooves two to five, which, due to the way wedges are designed, is where you\u2019ll generate the most spin.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>While being steep vs. shallow in the short game is personal preference, if you&#8217;re like me, you&#8217;d rather play it safer near the greens in order to limit strokes. 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The K* Grind is available in 58\u00b0 and 60\u00b0 lofts (RH only) with a Raw finish.<\/div>\n      <button class=\"btn block-shop-card__cta proshop-shopify-card__cta\">\n        Buy Now      <\/button>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/a>\n  <pre class=\"apple-news-only\"><a href=\"https:\/\/fairway-jockey.myshopify.com\/products\/titleist-vokey-wedgeworks-sm10-k-grind-custom-wedge?utm_source=golfcom&#038;utm_medium=article&#038;utm_campaign=is-steep-or-shallow-better-average-golfer-deep-dive\">View Product<\/a><\/pre>\n<\/section>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s a big debate over being steep vs. shallow in the short game. What&#8217;s best for the average player? 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